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613 Laws, Seven Scriptures and Two Questions

26 Sunday Apr 2015

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Thanks for joining me in the pew this week The Methodist Church has been in a forty year debate, conversation, or discussion; you pick the one that works for you, seeking an answer to two questions. Does the church accept same-gender relationships as being compatible with Christian teachings and is marriage to be defined as a joining together of a man and a woman? I want to keep this simple. As one who sits in the pew and has no theological training or degree I often turn to research and study with a heavy dose of prayerful consideration before I say “this I believe.” I will always acknowledge those sources in any writings of mine. That said; let’s start with this 613 law thing.
The Law is the revealed mind of God. His Will is His commandment, and His commandment is His Law. Thus, the Law is Divine since it…

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613 Laws, Seven Scriptures and Two Questions

26 Sunday Apr 2015

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Thanks for joining me in the pew this week The Methodist Church has been in a forty year debate, conversation, or discussion; you pick the one that works for you, seeking an answer to two questions. Does the church accept same-gender relationships as being compatible with Christian teachings and is marriage to be defined as a joining together of a man and a woman? I want to keep this simple. As one who sits in the pew and has no theological training or degree I often turn to research and study with a heavy dose of prayerful consideration before I say “this I believe.” I will always acknowledge those sources in any writings of mine. That said; let’s start with this 613 law thing.
The Law is the revealed mind of God. His Will is His commandment, and His commandment is His Law. Thus, the Law is Divine since it comes from a Divine source. It is also perfect, as God Himself is perfect. God’s Law supersedes all other laws. It transcends all other law, making it the Supreme Law of the entire earth.
God’s Law is also comprehensive and universal. It speaks to all areas of life, and to every living soul upon the face of the earth. The Law speaks of ceremonial truths, moral truths and dietary truths. It speaks of man’s duty toward God, and man’s duty toward his fellow man. (http://www.hisglory.us/DOCUMENTS/613_biblical_laws.htm )
The site referenced above is well worth the time spent there and lists all 613 laws. Now let’s move to the seven scriptures.

We examined over and over the seven biblical texts that deal directly with homosexual acts. We acknowledged the violent victimization described in some of these texts. We noticed the centrality of the call to loving relationship and the absence of comment on homosexual acts in the Gospels and in the words of Jesus. We considered the reality that loving, committed; covenant relationships between persons who were homosexual were unacknowledged in ancient times. We studied the creation stories, asking: Do these creation accounts describe the desire of God for mutuality among humans or the delineation of heterosexuality as normative for all? We acknowledged that nowhere is there direct biblical affirmation of homosexuality. In all these conversations, there was strong push and pull as we spoke from entrenched positions. (http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/what-are-the-bible-passages-that-deal-with-homosexuality)Again I encourage you to go to the link above and look at these scriptures. Now we are back to the two questions.

Does the church accept same-gender relationships as being compatible with Christian teachings and is marriage to be defined as a joining together of a man and a woman? This is where I step from behind scripture and like many of us in the pew simply try to say what I believe. I believe that in any situation, intent, that core thought or reason which brings something into being is the defining principle and meaning of those things that creation has given life to. God’s words as written speaks to the creation of man and woman, the intent being that they be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and have dominion over all things. The creation of the sexes was God’s intent to populate the creation in the manner God chose. So the question of whether marriage is defined as being between man and woman, that was and is God’s intent.

This question of same-gender relationships has been a part of biblical writings from the earliest of times. The bible had different terms or words to describe such practices, none were favorable. Many people point out that Christ never made reference to such and I believe it may have been because The Father had decided that issue long before he sent his son to live among us. Jesus’ ministry was to reconcile God’s children with the Father. He spoke of love, forgiveness and seeking the will of the Father by repentance and holy living. Jesus would not have justified any perversion that separated us from our Father in heaven; even if the social norms of the day were changing. So I believe that such lifestyle is not compatible with Christian teachings. But…..I am very aware that Christian teachings have a habit of changing with the times. With that in mind I would like to change the compatible statement to read “not compatible with God’s will.”

This is what I believe sitting here in the pew. I will not meet you half-way, I will not compromise my faith in order to meet the changing norms of the day. I understand church structure, law and the Methodist way of doing things. This way and this procedure is embodied in districts, annual conferences and general conference to which all churches have some form of representation. I would remind all sides in this debate that the church, God’s church, sits in the pews. Next week I will look in a direction that is quite different than that we are now traveling in the Methodist Church. I wrote that I would not meet you half-way or compromise my faith but I will work to find a way to love and allow God’s judgement to prevail. You see I also believe that God’s law cannot be changed by a vote. Hope you come back, I will be waiting here in the pew. jk

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Get Out Of The Pew

13 Monday Apr 2015

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Sometimes you have to get out of the pew to get a good view where you are spiritually and grow in your walk of faith. We become comfortable with “that ole time religion” of which I will admit is the way I have walked for years. This week’s blog is about exploring a world rich with writings that are not intended to demean or lessen the faith but to challenge and create a hunger for the gospel and those who lived it and wrote about it. In future blogs I intend to share with you books and commentaries that along with the Bible will increase your understanding and love of “The Word.”

I have often wondered how Jesus, the Son of the living God spent his childhood. I thought it odd that there were no writings about this early time in his life. How could such a person have passed…

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Change Is Only Hard For Those Who Resist It

12 Sunday Apr 2015

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I am having a hard time because I find myself resisting and unwilling to consider that which I do not believe was the intent of God, and I find that from where I sit in the pew there is little being said and that which is said is usually ignored. You can count the number of readers of this blog on one hand but it has become a way for me to express my faith, and the defense of it in a way that I hope does not offend. I shared with you the name of a book I am reading, “Finding Our Way: Love And Law In The United Methodist Church”. I have finished the book and I still feel the same way I did before I read it. To be fair to the book it is I believe one that all Methodists should read. It does not offer a solution to the same-gender issue currently sapping the energies, time and talent needed to answer the call but rather offers a number of paths we might follow to continue this conversation without further dividing the church. I am reading the book again because I believe the core question “what was God’s intent” will not be answered in endless debate and well intentioned compromise. I believe the change that is the goal of same-gender advocates is in direct conflict with God’s intent regarding marriage and sexual morality. While this book at first reading has not changed my mind, it has awakened in me a need to study and pray seeking the guidance of the Holy Spirit and I am feeling led to explore another approach to this issue that I have yet to see come up.

Everything I have read or heard is about how should the Church and Church Law will deal with same-gender issues. There is another side, how do we in the pews deal with those people? Here is where being a Christian goes beyond Sunday and Wednesday, outside into a world of those people. Who are those people?

Mark 12 28 One of the legal experts heard their dispute and saw how well Jesus answered them. He came over and asked him, “Which commandment is the most important of all?” 29 Jesus replied, “The most important one is Israel, listen! Our God is the one Lord, 30 and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your being, with all your mind, and with all your strength.31 The second is this, You will love your neighbor as yourself. No other commandment is greater than these.”

Love thy neighbor of course is followed closely by the question “who is my neighbor?” We know the story from Luke 10 about the man who was beaten and robbed and left to die, and the exchange between Jesus and the legal expert. Jesus asks the question….36 What do you think? Which one of these three was a neighbor to the man who encountered thieves?” and of course the answer…..37 Then the legal expert said, “The one who demonstrated mercy toward him.” Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.” Now ponder this….. “that whomsoever we have need to receive kindness from, and find ready to show us the kindness we need, we cannot but look upon as our neighbor; and therefore ought to look upon all those as such who need our kindness, and to show them kindness accordingly, though they be not of our own nation and religion.” Resource » Matthew Henry’s Commentary

The other side does not involve committees, panels, study groups or other means of searching for a path to understanding that will result in unity. The other side of this question lies with you and I, we in the pew. We are called to show kindness to all of God’s people. Guess what? To borrow a line from the old “Pogo” comic strip “those is us”. In the Methodist tradition all are welcome into God’s house and to the Lords table. Have we truly sought to offer kindness, mercy and love to those people? Or are we so wrapped up in “church law” that we have forgotten God’s Law. Next week I will look at God’s law. I encourage you to study, pray and seek the Holy Spirt in this matter. Get involved….I will be waiting here in the pew.

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Hope Lives Where Strength Resides

03 Friday Apr 2015

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On this Good Friday I like many Christians all over the world look forward to the day of resurrection and the assurance of life everlasting, the rekindling of our faith because he lives! The empty tomb says it all and hope abides in all who call him Lord. Stay strong in the faith and accept no compromise in the truth of his word. This is my Good Friday message to friends and all who read this. There is nothing remarkable about what I have written here. What is remarkable is that in an ever changing world, I could be arrested, put to death without trial, convicted for my faith. What is remarkable is I am free to say and write, “He is Lord of Lords, King of Kings, and all praise is to Him, my God, my Savior and our Hope. Our strength lives in our hope and hope lives where strength resides.
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